Thoughts on BSC Straube Article

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Thoughts on BSC Straube Article

Postby Kat on Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:07 pm

While we are glad that Building Science Corporation and the author of this comparison John Straube, have taken the time and first steps to research the Passive House Standard and its principles, we feel that the conclusions reached and presented as facts are in need of correction.
Following John posting the article we have received quite many e-mails from the PH community, many pointing out misinformation which might have led to wrongful conclusions.
One consultant commented, based on his own comparison/calculations and understanding of PH standard, that John’s assessment was off by about 50%. Our own investigation of the comparison has found a similar discrepancy. At this point we do feel that we need as the Passive House Institute US | PHIUS to comment and clarify some of the misunderstandings and correct the consequently incorrect values that are presented as facts in the comparison.
A comment upfront in regards to an e-mail received by us that understood John’s posting as “Building Science versus Passive House.” Passive House is firmly rooted in building science and physics principles. It does not promote some “other” kind of physics or building science, it is building science. The folks who know and design to PH standards today have understood PH science and performance standards to be what is needed today to solve our climate and energy crisis, nationwide as well as world wide. Its essence is defining a quantifiable number and performance standard that matches our current design constraints, challenges and crises, economically as well as environmentally. PH performance thresholds are not arbitrary, but responding to the constraints of CO2 reduction needed worldwide while taking into account the maximum renewable resources available to us as a global society.

John Straube’s quote “There are, however, many recommendations in the PH program that are not likely good decisions for cold climate North American housing, and some are very impractical with little or no benefit to the environment or the homeowner” is a surprising statement and worth evaluating how he arrived at this judgment. He says “The unique focus of the PH standard is an exceptional concern for heat loss by conduction and air leakage through the building enclosure and a complete disregard for the climate zone in its recommendations”.
It has been suggested that Dr. Straube's comments on PH disregarding climate zones is meant to refer to the required energy characteristic values being the same for any given climate zone. We feel that's an overly generous interpretation and that, in any case, the average reader should be clear to not infer that PH does not attend to specific climate zones in it's design. To the contrary, PH focuses on creating an indoor climate which, by accurate design, approaches a thermal equilibrium assuring occupant comfort. PH minimizes losses of the thermal envelope to a point that internal heat gains (including potential solar gains) can approach a thermal balance with minimal input required. Mechanical systems fed by a lot of energy to maintain comfort are history in PHs. By definition, designing a shell that only requires a miniaturized system is very climate specific and responsive resulting in specific building types and solutions, quite the opposite of what John concludes. We could argue similarly, that building the shell the same in every climate and putting a modulating, large and in many cases oversized plant into a building to achieve comfort is disregarding climate. BA does a better job with the shell than standard construction, allows the plant to be smaller, but other than that it still follows the same traditional model.
I first pointed that out to him when we were on a panel together discussing Passive House in the US at the ’06 NESEA conference. The shell design is a direct response to the climate that the Passive House is in. Passive House design has very deep regard for climate zone, and to claim otherwise is baffling.
Where John is absolutely right is that the inspiration for the Passive House Standard came from the US. William Shurcliff’s writings and publications are spelling out most of all the details that are the relevant basis for PH today.
John’s article goes back and forth between Passive House and Passivhaus. I remember when the Passivhaus Institut first discussed with us what the appropriate term for PH in the US would be. We argued for the English because “passive” construction was a term that we understood to have a history and a real resonance here, and many long-time high performance builders are very familiar with it. We’ve always made an effort to acknowledge and respect that history, and we had also hoped to avoid the prejudiced positions that Straube and Holladay have taken.
But PH is also an energy standard. Its basics developed in the US during the second half of the last century, but a huge leap evolved elsewhere. “Passive House” describes a set of scientific principles that can be translated into every language.
The UK on the other hand is going in a different direction. They have resisted the recommendation from Dr. Feist of “Passive House” and insisted on the German spelling largely, I believe, because they do not have the history that “passive” has in the United States.

Requirements

John is correct in regards to defining the main certification criteria of PH except for a few significant details:
Passive House criteria are fulfilled if either:
• a total heating & cooling demand of <15 kWh/m2/yr ( 4.75 kBtu/ft2/yr) each is achieved
or
• the peak heating demand is under 10 W/m2 (3.2 Btu/ft2)
In addition, the building must meet:
• total primary (i.e., source) energy of <120 kWh/m2/yr ( 38 kBtu/ft2/yr)
• airtightness 0.6 ACH@50 Pa or less

Recommendations for building components U-values are climate specific. In the case of windows, for central Europe it is the installed window U-value of <0.85 W/m2K (0.15 Btu/ ft2/F, R-7.1). The chosen U-value is the result of the comfort requirement inside of a Passive House. The comfort principle specifies that the surface temperature difference between interior surfaces and exterior surfaces should not be greater that 4 degrees Fahrenheit. That temperature differential should be in the same range for every climate (which I suppose could be one way in which we “disregard” the specific climate zone!).
That comfort principle will determine the window quality based on the winter design temperature of the specific climate. The U-value is chosen so that the inside temperature of the window surface is within a certain temperature zone on the coldest days, so that convection in front of it is eliminated entirely and point heat sources under windows are no longer necessary. Therefore: to maintain the interior comfort principle of warm surfaces we have to choose U-values for all building components, not just the windows, based on the specific climate.
To avoid creating a net energy loss through the introduction of mechanical ventilation, highly energy efficient equipment is need. There are actually two PH requirements to assure the energy efficiency of the mechanical ventilation equipment. John is correct on the efficiency requirement of the heat recovery of over 80% for Europe, but fails to mention that also a highly efficient motor (ECM) is needed. The requirement here is 0.45 Wh/m³ (0.76 W/CFM). On the North-American market there is currently only one ventilation system that meets both very stringent requirements. Here in the US, because the efficiency of most equipment is very poor, we currently still allow the old European threshold of <75% for the efficiency of the heat recovery.
Systems not tested and verified by the PHI (all of the equipment here in the States) are required to subtract 12% points from the highest Home Ventilation Institute rating number, the apparent sensible effectiveness. Testing to verify the accuracy of manufacturers’ efficiency claims has thus far proven this subtraction valid.
To my knowledge there is currently no manufacturer in the States who uses a counter-flow plate heat exchanger, which does provide recovery efficiencies in the PH range (if you know of any please let us know). Counter-flow plate heat exchanger cores are common for all PH rated ventilation systems in Europe. They do not use dual core heat exchangers which, while better than one core, do not result in the PH-required efficiencies. First improvements have been made by some US manufacturers starting to introduce ECM motors. Entering the counter-flow plate heat exchangers into the equation would be a great next step.
John’s description of how the energy reference area in the Passive House Planning Package is calculated is incorrect. This is a significant mistake, as the exact calculation of the TFA (treated floor area - energy reference area for a PH) will determine if the energy characteristic value calculated per ft² is accurate. Wrongly calculated reference areas will lead to wrong results.
Let’s correct the false assumption. It is not “the floor area is measured by total conditioned area inside the cladding”. The TFA is defined as the usable conditioned floor space in a dwelling. It is defined as the interior floor area (not the footprint or exterior dimension), less interior walls and columns over a certain size as well as staircases; and also less 40% for secondary spaces such as storage, mechanical rooms and basements. The reasoning why basements are counted at 60% is the realistic assessment that, even if a significant portion is finished, there is usually a limitation to day lighting (a basement is by definition partially underground) and there is a tendency to use that space partially as storage. I believe, in many parts of the US there are similar assessments of basement space taking it into account at a reduced percentage into the finished floor area.
The result of these reductions is a much smaller energy reference area than the one that is typically used in energy modeling software in North America, which commonly uses the exterior dimensions of a building without any reductions. The referenced TFA of a PH can be 30% or more different, depending on the specific design. Therefore the energy characteristic values of Passive Houses cannot be compared directly to US calculations as attempted here. If the reference area of a typical modeling tool is used to calculate Passive House values, then the energy characteristic values per ft² will be significantly smaller than in the original PH calculation using the TFA. This results in an even lower energy consumption value for Passive Houses.
I consider John’s quote “Why, I can't understand; perhaps Germans don't build basements you can live in like a modern basement in North America” as polemic and really not helping a science based peer to peer discussion. Any trip to Germany appears to me like a trip to the future these days in regards to technology and efficiency. Maybe he has not been there recently.

Typical Passive House Approach

PH is aiming to create an energetic equilibrium through minimizing the heat loss to a point where we take internal loads and solar gains into account and a near balance point can be achieved. Contrary to some “conventional wisdom”, that equilibrium does not happen at a prescriptive 20-40-60 everywhere. It’s that approach which disregards climate! In a PH, a designer balances, analyzes and optimizes the effect of each component on the performance as a whole, depending on climate.
This balancing act is done for the shell first, for the thermal envelope. The first PH space conditioning criteria is our design constraint there. Just as important and far from not being a concern to the PH approach is the optimization that is done for the mechanical system: DHW, household electricity, and auxiliary energy. Typically, the threshold of <120 kWh/m2/yr ( 38 kBtu/ft2/yr) is on the high end and a well optimized mechanical system should allow a PH to come in generally around 80 kWh/m2/yr ( 25 kBtu/ft2/yr). (Again, all values based on the PH TFA, rather than standard US modeling tool energy reference area - values would be further significantly reduced if standard energy reference area was used).
In fact, the European PH community has identified the primary energy design constraint of <120 kWh/m2/yr ( 38 kBtu/ft2/yr) to be too high to allow us as a society to meet our CO2 emission reduction goals. It has been proposed to significantly tighten these criteria over the next decade to well below 100 kWh/m2/yr, which many builders there are already doing.
In regards to the airtightness requirements: it certainly does help to achieve the airtightness goal to choose a simpler shape, but in PH design this is mainly done for energetic purposes, as the cube or even better the geodesic dome has the best surface to volume ratio and is therefore the most efficient shape to start with. However, requisite airtightness is regularly achieved in far more elaborate building envelopes and is not a design constraint from that perspective.
Solar heat gain recommendation: generally PH recommends for heating dominated climates the choice of a conservative SHGC of around 0.5 for all window orientations, but again, we’re a lot more flexible and responsive to specific challenges than portrayed here. That recommendation varies also by climate, as in cooling dominated climates a very low possible SHGC should be used. SHGC can vary by orientation in mixed climates.
Heat recovery: as mentioned above, no dual core is used in PH equipment in Europe. Earth tubes were used for the energetic gain, but more importantly for the purpose of a defrost option. Earth tubes can contribute significantly to pre-heating, pre-cooling and dehumidification. In the recent years, earth tubes have been more and more replaced by closed ground heat exchange systems that involve only the energy input of a very small pump, eliminating concerns of condensation issues.
Heating of the ventilation air for space heating: One core principle of PH design is to economize all components and their effects on each other, energetically as well as economically. That means identifying components that can be used for more than just one purpose. Minimizing the remaining space conditioning to a point that it can be entirely provided through the ventilation air without the need for additional point source heaters follows that exact same principle. It is a preference of Passive House to be able to use only fresh-air space conditioning and the small fan of the ventilator for distribution. This distribution system used to be during the early years of PH in Europe a requirement to meet the standard. Such a system can be achieved, to economic advantage, in climates around 4000 HDD as is the case in central Europe and in some climate zones of the US. In those cases, point sources such as radiant heat and radiators are not necessary. Most PH’s have a radiator in spaces where there might be the need for raising the temperature quickly for a short period of time, as might be the case in a bathroom.
John is correct that meeting the peak load requirement of 10 W/m2 (3.2 Btu/ft2) is next to impossible in cold and very cold climates in the US. In those climate zones, in addition to the space conditioning that can be transported through the ventilation air, small point source heaters become necessary to meet the peaks.

Ventilation Requirements in a PH

The ventilation rate in a Passive House is not due to inexperience or based on getting it right by accident [John Straube: “In Europe, higher ventilation rates are often specified, likely because there is not a long history of providing mechanical ventilation”] It is based on the hygienic or Indoor Air Requirements, to assure exceptional indoor air quality. Dr. Feist told me at one point that he paid close attention to compare the requirements of PH to the requirements of ASHRAE and that measured PH indoor air quality was equivalent to the IAQ of the highest ASHRAE rating. Turns out that ASHRAE 62.2 and PH are in near-perfect agreement as John Semmelhack eloquently puts it in his post below this one. We confirmed his calculations' accuracy with the Building Research Council at UofI.
The PH ventilation rate is determined by the expectation on IAQ in regards to supply and exhaust requirements. On average that air flow rate comes out to 80 CFM in a single family home. This does not reflect the fresh-air requirement (PH and ASHRAE requirements for those are as far as I know comparable) as John states, which in a single-family home is typically lower and right around his proposed 50 CFM. The 80 CFM design air flow is due to the second design constraint of a ventilation system, the exhaust air requirement for kitchen and bathroom to safely exhaust pollutants and moisture. Those requirements are also in line, as far as I am aware of, with the ASHRAE requirements.
There is no compromise being made on the ventilation requirement in very cold climates, and re-circulation defrost options in ventilation systems for PH are uncommon.
Unlike John, in 7 years of working with the PHPP I have not seen a warning pop up that warns of over-ventilation. The opposite is the case: a warning pops up if the ventilation rate is not sufficient, as that affects appropriate moisture removal as well as IAQ.
In regards to HRV/ERV performance the PHI has found deficiencies in the standard industry testing in Europe as well as in the US. As I mentioned earlier, they require the PHPP modeler to subtract 12% points off of the standard rating if the unit has not been evaluated through approved testing standards to account for those testing deficiencies. There are now manufacturers on the European market who have achieved actual testing results verified through the PHI of almost 90%!
One European HRV manufacturer tested by the PHI with an efficiency of 88% has come onto the US market. The price for their unit is $1800. In my humble opinion this is a very good price for what you are getting: superior and healthy indoor air quality and comfort as well as an exceptional and optimized energy performance overall.
HRV’s considered efficient by John are meeting Energy Star with a fan efficiency of 1.5-2 W/cfm. This is twice the efficiency specified by PHI. If this is the best we have in North America, we have long ways to go.
John’s assessment of “increasing ventilation rates to allow the use of ventilation air as the only means of heating is at best highly restrictive to a design and at worst simply impractical and antithetical to a low-energy house” is inaccurate. In very cold climates, as we’ve already discussed, peak heating loads cannot be met through fresh air heating alone. In fact, I would move the cut-off to 5 degrees Fahrenheit instead of 0 as proposed by John, and even that is a stretch. PH does not recommend increasing the ventilation air to compensate and make it happen. The ventilation rate is strictly determined by the IAQ requirements and it is wrong to say that the PH approach advocates increasing the rate for the purpose of delivering space conditioning in very cold climates.
Radiant heat, radiators, re-circulating air-heating are all fine solutions to provide space conditioning in very cold climates in a Passive House as long as the needed ventilation rate for hygienic and comfort purposes is observed. Due to the tiny need for heating energy in a Passive House, the temperature of radiant floors typically is set to a point where one can hardly feel that the heat is on. Radiant floor in localized point source applications is an excellent choice for a Passive House. My own house has a radiant floor in the bathroom. Not sure where this characterization of “dogmatic avoidance of using radiant floors” comes from, but it’s wrong.
Passive House addresses ducting in unconditioned spaces and strongly recommends keeping all warm ducts in conditioned spaces. That said, one may find it necessary to place warm ducts outside the thermal envelope, in retrofit applications for example.

The typical BSC BA Home compared to Passive House

As outlined above, typically, when Passive House is compared to High Performance homes in the US, significant differences in energy reference areas are not taken into account. Therefore, if one attempts an apples-to-apples comparison, one should be sure to understand the same base assumptions.
Our Passive House, the Fairview House in Illinois based on PH specifications (two story, slab on grade), calculates out to 4.46 kBtu/ft²/yr for heating and a total primary energy of 34 kBtu/ft²/yr based on a mechanical system using a solar thermal system and air-to-air heat pump/electrical base board back-up calculated in PHPP.
If we change the assumptions to the 10-40-60 R values of a BSC BA home for the climate in Illinois, use 3 ACH@50, same ventilation rate of 80 CFM to maintain comparability at the same level of comfort and Indoor Air Quality, installed U-value of 0.2 for windows for this particular climate, the energy characteristic values are 14.2 kBtu/ft²/yr for heating and a total primary energy of 45.3 kBtu/ft²/yr. This is three times the heating demand annually and an increase of overall primary energy consumption of over 30%.
This is hardly comparable or even approaching Passive House. I’d be interested to learn about those BSC BA homes that have been built in cold climates that compare favorably to Passive Houses (which have been built in 10,000 HDD climates). I recently became aware of a Super-E home built in Edmonton that comes very close.
If, as a next step, I insert a different climate data set we can determine where in the United States a BSC BA home as specified above actually does meet Passive House Standards. If the Illinois climate is substituted by Raleigh, NC climate data, the BSC BA home envelope meets Passive House criteria of 4.75 kBtu/ ft²/yr for heating, 2 kBtu ft²/yr for cooling, and a total primary energy of 33.7 kBtu/ft²/yr.
I think I have stressed IAQ enough during this text and it has become hopefully clear that IAQ is one of the initial design criteria for Passive House. Good building science knowledge of the envelope construction and moisture management is assumed, building for durability as well. One of the reasons for the only qualitative requirement of Passive House, the level of airtightness of buildings to as close to airtight as possible, has durability implied in it as John correctly points out: “…damaging air leakage condensation is likely controlled by the very low acceptable air leakage.”

Energy consumption compared

A Passive House of 2000 ft² using a condensing gas boiler and a solar thermal system, by my experience, would come in at around 80 kWh/m²/yr primary energy consumption or better (only PHs using a lot of electricity to heat with are right up against the upper limit of 120 kWh), and that is if the PH TFA is used as energy reference area (typically used energy reference area of exterior dimensions would further lower this primary energy consumption value).
John’s comparison home at 160 kWh/ m²/yr uses at that point a minimum of twice as much primary energy as a Passive House with the same mechanical systems assumptions/primary energy conversion factors, depending on fuel use.
John does allow that the overall consumption in a Passive House is typically lower, but that this can be achieved in a North American home as well “depending on occupants operating and maintaining the home in a low energy manner.”
We have heard a lot recently on how important occupant behavior is. We heard arguments that we have to “optimize occupant behavior”. One should be careful with occupant behavior approaches to building performance evaluation, because they can be readily gamed. ANY home can produce terrifically low power bills by lowering comfort expectations.
Passive House Standard’s approach is different. Quality occupant comfort levels are assured. Homes designed based on PH principles are designed such that a building’s wasteful behavior is limited, by design, to a point where it matters little how the occupants use their home. Some like it hot, some like to save as much as they can. The critical challenge here is to come up with a performance standard goal that on average, once the homes are occupied, meets our societal and global requirements to reduce energy consumption and green house gases to safe levels. We don’t want to have to police people’s behavior either.
We need a design benchmark that allows people to live their lives as they wish while providing the same level of comfort and meeting our environmental and economical design constraints.
If now a Passive House owner installs a 2kW PV system or, better yet, buys a share in a wind farm, we are very close to meeting or to exceeding our goal of carbon neutrality in the near future. Passive House standard has been recognized in recommendations made in the International Energy Agency Paper “Energy Efficiency Requirements in Building Codes – Energy Efficiency Policies for new Buildings":

“Best practice and demonstration buildings such as Passive Houses and Zero Energy Buildings should be encouraged and supported to help these buildings penetrate the market. National target should be set to ensure that these buildings will really be present at the market for new buildings in 2020.

Passive Houses (buildings that use so little energy that no heating or cooling system is needed) are in many areas a feasible alternative to traditional buildings, but many barriers work against these buildings. They need support to penetrate the market and become a real option for the general market. Zero energy buildings (buildings that use no energy over a year) are becoming more and more economic cost effective, but are still a more expensive solution than traditional buildings also seen over time. Support, demonstration projects, research and development is needed to mature this option and to bring these buildings in the market.

Passive Houses and Zero Energy Buildings should be the target for future buildings codes. A path should be set up to reach this target no later than 2030.

In the long term, only passive houses and zero energy buildings will be a sustainable solution. Passive houses or even Zero Energy Buildings should be set as a target for future building codes or energy efficiency standards to send a message to the market and to ensure the development of good solutions.”

http://www.iea.org/Textbase/Papers/2008 ... _Codes.pdf
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Re: Thoughts on BSC Straube Article

Postby Dave Brach on Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:42 am

Katrin,

Thank you for a lucid response to Dr. Straube's article. I don't know much about the Building America Program or BSC but my when I read the article my "sense" is that they operate within a more conventional paradigm with regards to resdential construction and energy use, one where "rules of thumb" are not only customary but desirable because they enable easily repeatable construction methods and mass production. The PHPP, on the other hand, is a precise and easy-to-use energy design tool, which cusotmizes each design to climate, location, and specific architectural design: this is something American building experts have never seen before and so it is not easily assimilated into the building culture. Passive House also defies simplificatioin because it is a design TOOL as well as an energy standard, and the two cannot be separated (as they are when comparisons are made between a PH and a house not designed with PHPP). This is the genius of Passive House. Up until now we have had lots of designers, arhcitects, engineers designing low energy buildings. And we have had lots of energy efficiency and "green" standards devloped in the past few years. But Passive House not only provides unsurpassed energy performance criteria--it provides the primary tool to help one achieve those criteria.
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Re: Thoughts on BSC Straube Article

Postby Roger Woodbury on Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:37 am

I have read and reread Dr. Straube's article. I have also read Katrin's measured response and I commend her for the patience in her response.

One must wonder why Dr. Straube would publish an article with incomplete and erroneous information when in fact such inaccuracy could only undermine his otherwise apparently strong credentials. Certainly if his creditials are real, then it should not prove overly difficult for Dr. Staube to become a Certified Passive House Consultant. So certified, if he chose to promote "his" science as better than "your" science he might be more credible than to merely criticize using specious data.

In his article's references he recommends those interested in reading further to review the Passivehaus website as the "best source" of information. He completely ignores the Passive House US and the Passive House website which is in English. It doesn't seem likely that Dr. Straube believes that building science can only be presented in German.

In the end it appears that attempting to merely discredit Passive House is counterproductive to the larger need for development of new and better building envelopes in a time of tremendous climate change.

Perhaps Dr. Straube's real intent is to create some sort of controversy which will advance his economic interests. If so, then perhaps his PhD only refers to something piled higher and deeper.
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PH vs. ASHRAE ventilation rates in BSC Straube Article

Postby John Semmelhack on Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:41 am

I had posted this comment a few weeks ago over at Green Building Advisor, and thought it was worth adding to the discussion here...

"I disagree with John Straub's comparison of ventilation rates between Passive House recommendations and ASHRAE 62.2. First, let's dig down into ASHRAE 62.2. Mr. Straub quotes the ASHRAE standard as "7.5 cfm/person+0.01 cfm/ft2." This is not exactly correct. The actual standard calls for:

0.03cfm/ft2 - 0.02cfm/ft2 ASSUMED INFILTRATION + 7.5cfm/person .

0.02cfm/ft2 assumed infiltration works out to be roughly 3.0ACH50, FIVE TIMES the level of air-tightness required in a Passive House. At ACTUAL Passive House air changes rates of no more than 0.60ACH50, the assumed infiltration should be changed to 0.004cfm/ft2. Thus, for a theoretical 2,000ft2 Passive House, the ASHRAE 62.2 ventilation rate would be:

(0.03-0.004)*2000 + 7.5*4 = 82cfm

This compares very favorably to Mr. Straub's quoted 'Passive House' ventilation rate of 80cfm for the theoretical house. I would say that ASHRAE 62.2 and Passive House are in near-perfect agreement on ventilation rates!"
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Re: Thoughts on BSC Straube Article

Postby Graham Wright on Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:03 pm

I don't detect any ulterior motives in Straube's article. Basically I hear a sincere concern about cost effectiveness.

My answer to this is usually along the lines of: perhaps you've noticed that energy cost is a bit of a moving target these days. Give me a crystal ball and maybe I can calculate a payback. If you'd built your Passive House in 2003 you'd already be paid back. Next best time is now.

Katrin's answer about environmental boundaries is a better one and I think this is what needs to be spelled out. Passive House has a subtle relationship to cost effectiveness - it considers cost effectiveness but only within the context of achieving comfort within one's fair share of the earth's capacity for absorbing greenhouse gas emissions (as I understand it.) That explains for example why the performance target does not vary across climate zone - human comfort needs don't vary across climate so you have to do more to meet them in extreme climates, either build better or burn more, and it's not fair to ask mild-climate people to subsidize the GHG of extreme-climate people on an ongoing basis.

In the past I felt that there was an arbitrary insistence on meeting the space heating needs strictly through passive techniques (plus HRV), without allowing on-site renewables to meet that part of the energy demand, but I didn't have a problem with it because I like passive survivability anyway. Katrin explained in the recent training that the standard has been clarified or relaxed so that you can meet it EITHER by keeping the annual space heat demand below 15 kWh/m2/yr OR by keeping the peak heat load below 10 W/m2. This is significant because the 10 W/m2 criterion is what allows the heating to be supplied through the ventilation air, and therefore the elimination of the separate furnace, the tunneling through the cost barrier, and therefore the cost effectiveness through integrated design. Thus the "dogma" has a basis in cost-effectiveness, properly understood. And from a standard-setting point of view, a little bit of such prescriptiveness in a standard otherwise so performance-based and flexible, probably helps more than it hurts.

My question about the standard is related to the point Straube brought up about the cost of on-site renewables coming down in the future. I do think it is silly to bank those vaporware savings now by building a cheaper envelope. However, I do wonder how will the Passive House Institute rethink the standard if that were to happen. Suppose a miracle occurs and you can get to net zero with $20k of PV instead of $200k. Then maybe it becomes more debatable whether insulation or PV is better for meeting space conditioning needs. I suspect there would not be too much rejoicing and relaxing of the standard because of the point about bad timing. In a heating climate your PV generates excess energy when you need it least, when you're drawing from the grid you're using the dirtiest energy, and so you will end up net zero energy but still carbon positive. As Katrin says, carbon neutral human comfort is the ultimate goal. And I think the ultimate argument for passive techniques is that they can scale to meet that goal worldwide, while renewables cannot.
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Re: Thoughts on BSC Straube Article

Postby jessethompson on Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:25 am

Graham Wright wrote:Katrin explained in the recent training that the standard has been clarified or relaxed so that you can meet it EITHER by keeping the annual space heat demand below 15 kWh/m2/yr OR by keeping the peak heat load below 10 W/m2. This is significant because the 10 W/m2 criterion is what allows the heating to be supplied through the ventilation air, and therefore the elimination of the separate furnace, the tunneling through the cost barrier, and therefore the cost effectiveness through integrated design.


Graham, to check my metrically challenged math, is the correct conversion for Peak Heat Load of 10 W / m2 --> 34.12 BTU/hr.m2 --> 3.17 BTU/hr.ft2?
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Re: Thoughts on BSC Straube Article

Postby Dave Brach on Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:11 pm

I have become very skeptical that heating with the ventilation air allows much, if any, savings in capital costs, given current technologies in North America (unless electric resistance heater is used). Ground source heat pump is probably the most efficient way to heat the ventilation air but that won't save any money. I'm guessing hot water heated with natural gas and rund through a post heat coil in the fresh air stream is probably the most economical option for heating the air, but this kind of system is not exactly cheap, and the hot water needs to be at a very high temperature which to my understanding decreases efficiency. I still think it is an elegant way to deliver space heat but does it save money?

Also, Straube is correct to point out that it does not make much sense that PV is not currently part of the PH energy calculations. Feist has said that the primary reason for this is that when PV is heavily subsidized (as it is in Germany) it is not on a level playing field with investments in the envelope, and so it would skew the results in favor of PV. I totally agree with Graham that investing in PV in lieu of the envelope, even if it appears superficially to make economic sense, really doesn't make practical sense for the reasons he points out: PV doesn't really help heat a home in the wintertime. Passive strategies that stress conservation are perhaps a better "investment" even when they cost slightly more dollars.
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Re: Thoughts on BSC Straube Article

Postby Graham Wright on Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:34 pm

Jesse, right on the conversion. Katrin rounded it up to 3.2. Interesting though, as I look at my PHPP just now, it is allowing me up to 4.5 Btu/hr/ft2 for "supply air heating sufficient." That is saving my design which is at 3.5. It is basing this on a fixed maximum air temperature of 126 F and an apparently climate-dependent inlet air temperature which for Portland is 60 or 61 F. Now I have a question whether the number calculated by PHPP is the standard or is it 3.2 across the board?

David, PV is part of the Passive House energy calculations. Its right there at the bottom of the PE Value tab. You have to calculate it separately but you get credit for it against the Primary Energy limit. Just not against the heating demand. Why not? The short answer is "that's why it's called Passive House and not PV house."
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Re: Thoughts on BSC Straube Article

Postby Dave Brach on Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:06 pm

Graham,

When you say "you get credit for it against the primary energy limit" what do you mean? In the version of PHPP that I am using (2007) the specific primary energy demand, as well as the upper limit for certification does not change regardless of the amount of planned solar electricitiy generation.
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